590 Average Speeds

RobK · Jun 8, 2016

Hi all,

I'm playing about transferring a route from Basecamp to my 590. All seems to have transferred ok, the route looks the same however the time the route should take is significantly different. So in base camp it's showing 6 hours 10 mins whereas on the 590 it's 5 hours 15 mins.

Is there a place to set the average speeds the 590 uses? I can't seem to find it.

Sorry if this has been asked before, I tried a search but it didn't come up with anything.

Cheers,
Rob.

Deleted account Cooperman · Jun 8, 2016

Are you in the same transportation mode (car/motorcycle/off road)?

RobK · Jun 8, 2016

Cooperman said:
Are you in the same transportation mode (car/motorcycle/off road)?

Yeah, I've double checked, all route calculations are the same (as much as they can be)

The Grey One · Jun 8, 2016

Does not Basecamp use the average speeds you have set in the activity profile. I suspect the 590 will use your actual average speeds in its calculations.

John

JerseyNeil · Jun 8, 2016

Base camp has stupid low speeds as default on European roads. If you go to profile/customize you will get a table of set speeds that you can change. The fastest road given is "highway" at 90kph which I think should be 110 or even 130. I change all mine and it brings the trip times down.

Neil

RobK · Jun 11, 2016

Thanks for the replies all, I'll have a fiddle with the basecamp settings.

Cheers,
Rob.

Berin · Aug 27, 2016

Not any more, I think - just the ability to increase or decrease speed relative to the profile, but happy to be proved wrong.

JerseyNeil said:
Base camp has stupid low speeds as default on European roads. If you go to profile/customize you will get a table of set speeds that you can change. The fastest road given is "highway" at 90kph which I think should be 110 or even 130. I change all mine and it brings the trip times down.

Neil

Popell · Aug 27, 2016

Not sure if there is any difference twix' 390 and 590 but having the former and was able to change the speeds in the custom profile bit of Basecamp.
Hope you can too

Berin · Aug 27, 2016

Popell said:
Not sure if there is any difference twix' 390 and 590 but having the former and was able to change the speeds in the custom profile bit of Basecamp.
Hope you can too

I think Basecamp is Basecamp, regardless of the GPS used, and as far as I can see the custom profiles only allow a plus or minus from a "default" speed, but no idea what the default speed is.

iand46 · Aug 27, 2016

Berin said:
I think Basecamp is Basecamp, regardless of the GPS used, and as far as I can see the custom profiles only allow a plus or minus from a "default" speed, but no idea what the default speed is.

Mines the same using a Mac.
You using a Mac or PC?

Wapping · Aug 27, 2016

Berin said:
I think Basecamp is Basecamp, regardless of the GPS used, and as far as I can see the custom profiles only allow a plus or minus from a "default" speed, but no idea what the default speed is.

You could probably work it out.

Take a decently long stretch of motorway, with a known 70 mph limit. Ask BaseCamp to take you from A to B and look at the time it estimates. That is it's assumed speed.

Do the same for a decently long stretch of 30 mph road.

Do the same for a known 50 mph stretch.

That's if anyone can be bothered enough to do it.

Berin · Aug 28, 2016

iand46 said:
Mines the same using a Mac.
You using a Mac or PC?

Mac. I'm running Windows 10 on it too, so I might install Basecamp Windows and see if it's the same

Berin · Aug 28, 2016

Wapping said:
if anyone can be bothered enough to do it.

Not really. I've got 5000 miles to do over lots of different speed limits. It would be easier if you could just adjust the speeds like Mapsource did, but at the end of the day it's only a guide. I did do a quick simulation on the GPS and it uses the speed limit, which is ok on major roads but goes out of kilter on smaller roads with a 60 limit.

Wapping · Aug 28, 2016

500 miles, over lots of different speed limits, will take you all day. Is that good enough? Want to fine tune it? Less time if you don't stop; longer if you stop regularly or for protracted periods.

Or, look at it another way, how long - from your own riding experience - do you think it will take you? You must know your own likely average speed over roads or you wouldn't know what to try to set the software to.

Depending on what GPS device you own, it will have your average speed logged in it somewhere, perhaps even your moving average speed and your whole day average, It may even have recorded the average speed / time taken for each tack log it has saved. What do those numbers tell you? How do they compare with the software's estimation of the speed / time taken? Your bike may also show / record your historic average moving speed, what's that number and over what sorts of roads has it been created?

Leaving all this aside, your own estimation of the total time it will take you will always be best. You could set that your average moving speed on motorways is 85 mph, but that will plummet as soon as you stop for fuel or have a coffee / lunch stop. So, once again, how long - if your life depended on the answer - do YOU think it will take YOU to ride the 500 miles of the route YOU have plotted out?

iand46 · Aug 28, 2016

Berin said:
Mac. I'm running Windows 10 on it too, so I might install Basecamp Windows and see if it's the same

It's a very different program. The toolbars even have different tools. Be interesting to know if you can set speed limits on it like the old MapSource program.

Gargy · Aug 28, 2016

I work on the premise that 200 miles of mountain roads = 6hrs+

200 miles of motorway are 3hrs +

Anything else is somewhere in between depending on traffic/cities travelled through.

Wapping · Aug 28, 2016

Following Gargy's estimation, based on his experience and leaving aside that he put a plus against the times, which I guess means he estimates that those are minimum times which might take longer, he has an average speed of:

33 mph in the mountains

66 on motorways

Averaging the two out gives an average daily speed of not faster than 44 mph.

If your riding experience is similar to his, it will take you about 11 hours to do the 500 miles, a figure you can adjust up and down depending on how much (or little) mountain or motorway you have in your route.

Either way, as I said, you'll be 'looking at all day' to ride your 500 miles over what you describe as a mixture of roads.

Berin · Aug 28, 2016

Wapping said:
500 miles, over lots of different speed limits, will take you all day.

Ahem. 5000 miles. I'm expecting it to take a bit longer than a day. Having done lots of long trips, on and off road, I've a pretty decent idea of how long it will take. I just wanted a simple answer to the question, can I adjust the default speed settings in Basecamp, in case I'd missed some menu option somewhere. The answer is apparently no. But thanks for the advice anyway.

Wapping · Aug 28, 2016

Ten days then, based on 500 'taking all day'

But you probably knew that :beerjug:

leedude03 · Aug 28, 2016

UOTE=iand46;4467844]It's a very different program. The toolbars even have different tools. Be interesting to know if you can set speed limits on it like the old MapSource program.[/QUOTE]

You can indeed, using a pc set the speeds to what you wish to use for various roads, within basecamp activity profiles.
This of course will not transfer these speeds over to the nav, this will be set by the nav from within ts own settings. but it will when viewed in basecamp give you a time based on these settings.

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