I decided to send an email to Nippy Normans a couple of days ago, challenging them on the price for Mudsling products and were they aware Chinese Copies were on the UK shopping list for most GS Buyers now.
I asked them to reconsider their pricing on that basis or they could be losing a lot of revenue and customers as the 'Chinese option' spreads in popularity.
I even considered cancelling my order with them to be honest.
Here is their email reply which they gave permission for me to post on here.....
"Thanks for the information Steve about the Chinese products.
These are not even copies but copies of a copy and are poor quality.
They are thermoformed (vacuum formed) which is not a precise process. The final shape requires routing, leaving cutting marks around the perimeter which on one of the copies we can see is not even sanded smooth. Accurate dimensional tolerances are hard to achieve with this manufacturing process.
We are selling more MudSlings than ever because BMW owners want a quality product for their quality bike with full back up.
We do not make excessive profit on them considering the cost of the initial tooling, shipping costs and the cost of developing a quality product.
Our product is moulded like any plastic part on your BMW – these moulds cost tens of thousands of dollars.
The copy from China is not made in this way and BMW would never use vacuum forming for any components.
You can buy knock offs of everything these days – helmets, gloves, watches etc.
There was an interesting article on the radio the other day calling on people to not support knock offs as they are often of inferior quality produced in poor conditions by low paid workers or even children and also support crime in some cases.
Bear in mind that as well as the mentioned tooling costs our products are also covered by product liability insurance by us and by the manufacturer.
Still no problem to return the MachineArt products if you wish. Please send as received to the address on the website with a note.
You can post what we have said on UKGSer’s if you want to.
Regards
NN"
I think the danger here is to assume all BMW GS owners are rich and will pay anything for everything..
With PCP Deals you can get a new one with a small part exchange bike and low monthly payments. But that'll leave some people stretched.
Also those that can afford it either earn enough to literally not be bothered, or outraged that they're being ripped off.
So value for money needs to be demonstrated at least, or you're wide open for critisism and people will jump to a cheaper alternative just out of protest.
why spend 15k on a bike then skimp on proper fitting protection which never loses much value on the 2nd hand market anyway , if you decide to sell in the future.
the development of that argument is why when your are spending £15k do you need additional proper protection anyway
"Thanks for the information Steve about the Chinese products.
These are not even copies but copies of a copy and are poor quality.
They are thermoformed (vacuum formed) which is not a precise process. The final shape requires routing, leaving cutting marks around the perimeter which on one of the copies we can see is not even sanded smooth. Accurate dimensional tolerances are hard to achieve with this manufacturing process.
We are selling more MudSlings than ever because BMW owners want a quality product for their quality bike with full back up.
We do not make excessive profit on them considering the cost of the initial tooling, shipping costs and the cost of developing a quality product.
Our product is moulded like any plastic part on your BMW – these moulds cost tens of thousands of dollars.
NN"
I think the danger here is to assume all BMW GS owners are rich and will pay anything for everything..
With PCP Deals you can get a new one with a small part exchange bike and low monthly payments. But that'll leave some people stretched.
Also those that can afford it either earn enough to literally not be bothered, or outraged that they're being ripped off.
So value for money needs to be demonstrated at least, or you're wide open for critisism and people will jump to a cheaper alternative just out of protest.
This country is so massively taxed its a joke, I have ordered a cheap Chinese one and just waiting for it to arrive, I just cant justify that much on a mudsling just to keep the dirt off something that should of been done in the factory, the trouble is that BMW want all the little people to make money selling aftermarket parts to us but then they are just too expensive so why don't BMW just make one from the off ?
They are not a cheap bike and to have to spend a shed load of money on other parts it just makes it ridiculous
Aha - back in the day the 1150 GS & earlier bikes had proper full length rear mudguards and even a little rear rubber mudflap to cover the shock
Those were the days
Exactly
Uk is known as 'treasure island' and we're overcharged for most things
Me - I'd buy the chinky one, fit it and if there were any points of concern about fitment then I would helicopter tape those bits of frame or swingarm and/or trim the chinky copy accordingly
How technical can a bit of black plastic get ?
A genuine mudsling for £150???
Hell, I can get a genuine complete brand new plastic bumper from Toyota for my Hiace van for £256, the moulding on that is 20x more intricate & difficult - than a mudsling
IF you wanted a genuine one not a knock off, order from US, including international shipping works out as £108, still a big saving.