fatfingers73
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I've considered it but my bike is perfect already.
Would rather spend the £300 on petrol
Would rather spend the £300 on petrol
Waste of money and that’s based on a friend who has had several bikes ‘Hill Topped’ and reflecting on this, really wished he hadn’t bothered.
Waste of money and that’s based on a friend who has had several bikes ‘Hill Topped’ and reflecting on this, really wished he hadn’t bothered.
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So, let me get this straight..................
Your friend had a bike which he took to Hilltop for them to work their magic on.
He wasn't happy with the result.
He then had another bike which he took to Hilltop for them to work their magic on.
He wasn't happy with the result.
He then had another bike which he took to Hilltop for them to work their magic on.
He wasn't happy with the result.
This was repeated for 'several' bikes.
Interesting 'friend' you have there
Andres
I'm surely not the only one who's noticed the parallels between the Hilltop debate and alternative medicine?
All the components are there; a guru, acolytes, a lack of evidence, subjects who want it to work, a solution in search of a problem, ill-defined end points, the exchange of monetary reward - all the elements for a strong placebo effect.
Don't get me wrong, I'm entirely agnostic on whether Hilltop works or not, but the parallels are compelling.
Interesting point. But when we invest our hard-earned in something we are incentivised to belive it works. Its a well-know psychological phenomenon (whose name I forget for the moment) and is the basis for many a homeopathy business.The difference with hilltop is you can try it and if it does not fulfill the expectation (hype), you get your money back. Maybe not win win, certainly no losses.
The difference with hilltop is you can try it and if it does not fulfill the expectation (hype), you get your money back. Maybe not win win, certainly no losses.
True, and others lept before they looked. We all err at times.
The graphs are objective data, and I too was surprised at the ftar, and why the valves were still there !
Subjectively, it does seem that these engines run very lean, mostly to pass emmisions/sound tests, also it was found that there was a K&N filter fitted which along with the other mods, may have further impact. Again that's only my observation, but after 40+ years of playing about with different engines and a reasonable comment.
There are lots of different ways to "improve" these engines, some work better than other's. One researches what is available and then hopefully make an informed choice.
Or you just go shiny, shiny bling: want it.
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What do you think it should be at 4k with no load ?I just don’t get why anyone would try to demonstrate that a bike runs lean by producing a dyno graph showing afr not under load. Why not show afr on the overrun when fuel is cut - hey presto ‘000s:1. Up to 50% throttle afr will be 14.7:1 and above 50% virtually all bikes run rich so that there is no chance of burnt valves. Many run quite rich at ~4k rpm to help meet noise limits and this causes a dip in power seen at these revs.
but I wouldn't mind guessing that the guy is affable, peruasive and charismatic.
You do, I hope, all realise that the OP started this thread as a wind up.........just as he did, in this section, re. the best tires to use.............
Andres
And oil...
Stop being a biased uninitiated pratt
He is - could talk the hind leg off a donkey.