fatfingers73
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I've considered it but my bike is perfect already.
Would rather spend the £300 on petrol
Would rather spend the £300 on petrol
Hilltop - is it worth it?
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anyoldiron
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Waste of money and that’s based on a friend who has had several bikes ‘Hill Topped’ and reflecting on this, really wished he hadn’t bothered.
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Wow! Everyone should bring something to a technical discussion.
I think we'll put you in charge of .............................. sandwiches.
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So, let me get this straight..................
Your friend had a bike which he took to Hilltop for them to work their magic on.
He wasn't happy with the result.
He then had another bike which he took to Hilltop for them to work their magic on.
He wasn't happy with the result.
He then had another bike which he took to Hilltop for them to work their magic on.
He wasn't happy with the result.
This was repeated for 'several' bikes.
Interesting 'friend' you have there
Andres
Hilltop - is it worth it ?
That is a good question I asked myself BEFORE I had the factory SW-update done to my 3/2017 EU-4 GS-ADV.Now my bike runs better/faster than even a 2014 light crank EU-3 GS.That answers the question for me.The bike runs perfect now and feels like 125hp
What makes me wonder about Hilltop though that they are really not straightforward and say what they do and that no BMW only tuner has accomplished what they offer - a ECU reflash.As also that BMW service computer can't recognize the altered map and that later tuning like going to a catless header and or slip-on does not need reprogramming.How does that work as open loop/higher rpm does not rely on sensors but is pre-programmed/map only ?
An older aircooled boxer or any other bike I have no problem but the LC-boxers I would be very careful about the claims...
With fuel programming you get maybe 5 hp/lb max.But like I said there is nothing to improve on the updated map straight out of Berlin or Munich...
That is a good question I asked myself BEFORE I had the factory SW-update done to my 3/2017 EU-4 GS-ADV.Now my bike runs better/faster than even a 2014 light crank EU-3 GS.That answers the question for me.The bike runs perfect now and feels like 125hp
What makes me wonder about Hilltop though that they are really not straightforward and say what they do and that no BMW only tuner has accomplished what they offer - a ECU reflash.As also that BMW service computer can't recognize the altered map and that later tuning like going to a catless header and or slip-on does not need reprogramming.How does that work as open loop/higher rpm does not rely on sensors but is pre-programmed/map only ?
An older aircooled boxer or any other bike I have no problem but the LC-boxers I would be very careful about the claims...
With fuel programming you get maybe 5 hp/lb max.But like I said there is nothing to improve on the updated map straight out of Berlin or Munich...
Fat Biker 66
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Point well made! Will put the kettle on and make the tea & coffee
anyoldiron
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So, let me get this straight..................
Your friend had a bike which he took to Hilltop for them to work their magic on.
He wasn't happy with the result.
He then had another bike which he took to Hilltop for them to work their magic on.
He wasn't happy with the result.
He then had another bike which he took to Hilltop for them to work their magic on.
He wasn't happy with the result.
This was repeated for 'several' bikes.
Interesting 'friend' you have there
Andres
Maybe I wasn’t as clear as I could have been. This is a case of several different motorbikes chasing improved fuelling or top end power or mid-range torque etc etc.
As I said, reflecting on the various Hill Top experiences, his long term feeling was that he had spent a considerable sum of money for very little real return. Having ridden one of these motorcycles after dyno work, I honestly couldn’t tell any difference.
Maybe I’m just not as finely nuanced as some in detecting the post HT differences or maybe I can detect the whiff of bull better than some?
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The difference with hilltop is you can try it and if it does not fulfill the expectation (hype), you get your money back. Maybe not win win, certainly no losses.
Interesting point. But when we invest our hard-earned in something we are incentivised to belive it works. Its a well-know psychological phenomenon (whose name I forget for the moment) and is the basis for many a homeopathy business.
OK there's a money back guarantee, but people are often reluctant to claim on these, even where they have doubts about the efficiacy of the product. This might be because of embarrassment, but often because the 'guru' has formed a relationship with the client. I've never met anyone from HT, but I wouldn't mind guessing that the guy is affable, peruasive and charismatic.
It is well publicised that Geoff offers a money back guarantee.
However, if it were me and I had to make a round trip of maybe 400 miles or so, would I bother to reclaim £350? Nope, life's too short.
The guy who had his GS Hilltopped prior to me having my RT done told me he couldn't notice a difference. There are more out there who don't post on the subject.
For clarity, mine was better, it would pull a gear higher at almost any given speed and I was happy.
However, I will not be getting my LC done as I don't notice any holes in the mid range or chugging that I did on my SC.
papasquelch
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I just don’t get why anyone would try to demonstrate that a bike runs lean by producing a dyno graph showing afr not under load. Why not show afr on the overrun when fuel is cut - hey presto ‘000s:1. Up to 50% throttle afr will be 14.7:1 and above 50% virtually all bikes run rich so that there is no chance of burnt valves. Many run quite rich at ~4k rpm to help meet noise limits and this causes a dip in power seen at these revs.
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You do, I hope, all realise that the OP started this thread as a wind up.........just as he did, in this section, re. the best tires to use.............
Andres
Andres
What do you think it should be at 4k with no load ?
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He is - could talk the hind leg off a donkey.
And oil...
I like to fart in lifts....I know it’s wrong, on so many levels.
Engineer. You have not had your bike done!
Therefore you can spoutcas much bollox as you want but you are not in a position to comment on its effectiveness of not.
My standard bike is being done soon and I will advise.
The bottom line at least a thousand plus bikes have been done and all apart from one or two have been happy. Then there is repeat custom.
Says it all. Stop being a biased uninitiated pratt
Therefore you can spoutcas much bollox as you want but you are not in a position to comment on its effectiveness of not.
My standard bike is being done soon and I will advise.
The bottom line at least a thousand plus bikes have been done and all apart from one or two have been happy. Then there is repeat custom.
Says it all. Stop being a biased uninitiated pratt
Sums him up perfectly.
Probably why ‘mummy’s little engineer’ won’t visit...........
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