BMW R1200 GSA Rallye

GBH said:
There was another thread on here about a wheel that collapsed. Someone said you had better check your spokes so I did. I had 8 loose in the rear and 2 in the front so got my local dealer to check and tighten them. Since then I have checked 3 times and they have not moved I think when new they maybe settle so it's good to check but it appears to now be ok.

Fantastic bike and I'm glad I purchased it!
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Shouldn't be any settling of spokes in a wheel , I used to know an old gent who built wheels for over 60 years and when he built them that was it ,no need for any further adjustment. In BMW's case it is looking as if there has been a change in supplier , builder, production methods or quality of components
 
Bobbin-Man said:
Has the wheels source changed? Any idea when?
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The source of the rims has changed from Behr (made in Germany), to GLM (made in China). I don't know where the wheels are currently assembled but it's obvious there is a problem with incorrect assembly due to missing or loose grub screws. These wheels are not rebuildable by any BMW dealer. If there are loose spokes then the wheel must be rebuilt by a specialist, just tightening up the individual spokes is not an option as the wheel will not run true. BMW know this, they have never rebuilt cross-spoke wheels in the past, their policy has always been to replace with complete new wheel assemblies.
 
julesh1966 said:
Hi,

New to the forum but heres my latest experience.

Picked up brand new BMW R1200 GSA Rallye chuffed to bits, also own triple black why 2 bikes long story, got a good deal.
Planned trip to Norway been 2 years previous, loved it went to Lofoten Islands.
Mileage pre trip 550 miles, first service done.
On our way, 10 days in 2000 miles all good.
Packing bike for return leg, knock the back wheel with my foot by accident feels loose, closer inspection every spoke on the rear wheel is completely loose, and i mean loose, you could turn the nipple at the top with your fingers, so v loose.
Trauma begins, 10.30 ring BMW assistance, put through to England call centre, details taken and told a call back International Assistance within half an hour.
An hour later no call back, ring AA European assistance backup option, very helpful offers to look into what was happening for me.
Ring Uk assistance again, the lady becomes very rude and patronising, gets put on hold 30 minutes later, yes on hold, back to UK to be told ring back in 10 minutes very busy.
After 3 hours finally an answer some on will be in contact in next 2 hours.
I have to be on a ferry 4hrs away, not a chance.
I wont go into all the details, but had to re book 2 ferries and a hotel, paid 250 pounds to get wheel trued and tightened.
The guy at the Motorrad garage said that he had 2 bikes the previous week with roughly same mileage and the same problem, and said this may become a warranty problem, i would think a huge safety problem.
So loose spokes has cost me rebooking 2 ferries and hotels 450 pounds and 250 for garage, and a 650 mile day ride to catch up on trip
Bike has 3500 miles on it.
Any thoughts
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Same issue on my 17 Rallye Sport at 500miles then again at 2000miles, new rear wheel fitted under warranty.
 
Nin said:
Sorry if this comes across in any way as criticism. Those spokes didn’t get loose overnight. Perhaps the learning point is check your bike before or after you ride it.

Nope, I still come across as a patronising twat, sorry.



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You got that right🤭

Check your vehicle over before riding ok
But in this day and age I don’t think you will find many people who would agree with you that you shouldcheck all your spokes before evey ride. The manual says they should be checked after using the bike off road - I can agree wholeheartedly with that
 
JohnnyBoxer said:
Great ....Isn't it
Not a sheeple like yourself who must've believed the marketing hype
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You may very well be right about the different construction standards between earlier and contemporary models. I however realise that I’ve made a mistake in engaging with you on your favourite hobby horse. As you’ve descended to name calling, I bow out.
Alan R
 
Mine are tight . Had a T500 I the 70’s wheel collapsed on our trip around the UK. Luckily picked up another for £25 and carried on. Hard for you but heck em weekly
 
What is shocking is the condescending comments on here, some saying it isn’t true and let’s see the same claims court number etc. and some saying should have bought a mint airhead, well if no one bought new bikes there wouldn’t be any secondhand ones would there.

I thought the idea of a forum was to discuss topics and share experiences, not to slag people off or question their experiences just because you don’t happen to agree or are so narrow minded that you won’t believe it.

You know who you are, I suggest you go and have a word with yourself and refrain from posting until you can stop being a knobhead.


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I would agree Karlos, I've had GSs for 10 years I've never checked the spokes and never needed to my last had 60.000 on it, I was just making people aware that there maybe there is problem with manufacturing, as the guy said who fixed the wheel its the new model that he has seen this problem
Karlos said:
What is shocking is the condescending comments on here, some saying it isn’t true and let’s see the same claims court number etc. and some saying should have bought a mint airhead, well if no one bought new bikes there wouldn’t be any secondhand ones would there.

I thought the idea of a forum was to discuss topics and share experiences, not to slag people off or question their experiences just because you don’t happen to agree or are so narrow minded that you won’t believe it.

You know who you are, I suggest you go and have a word with yourself and refrain from posting until you can stop being a knobhead.


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Number 6 said:
The source of the rims has changed from Behr (made in Germany), to GLM (made in China). I don't know where the wheels are currently assembled but it's obvious there is a problem with incorrect assembly due to missing or loose grub screws. These wheels are not rebuildable by any BMW dealer. If there are loose spokes then the wheel must be rebuilt by a specialist, just tightening up the individual spokes is not an option as the wheel will not run true. BMW know this, they have never rebuilt cross-spoke wheels in the past, their policy has always been to replace with complete new wheel assemblies.
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Well said
Only one company who are specialists in building BMW spoked GS wheels in the UK and that is Devon Rim

Maybe someone close could take their new bike along for a second expert opinion

I would be doing just that
 
Alan R said:
You may very well be right about the different construction standards between earlier and contemporary models. I however realise that I’ve made a mistake in engaging with you on your favourite hobby horse. As you’ve descended to name calling, I bow out.
Alan R
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Hardly name calling...More like enthusiastic banter

I do feel for people who have bought the latest bikes - I nearly bought one last month, but thought is it worthy of £17k ?

I had a good look around one and test rode it and thought nope !!
 
Karlos said:
What is shocking is the condescending comments on here, some saying it isn’t true and let’s see the same claims court number etc. and some saying should have bought a mint airhead, well if no one bought new bikes there wouldn’t be any secondhand ones would there.

I thought the idea of a forum was to discuss topics and share experiences, not to slag people off or question their experiences just because you don’t happen to agree or are so narrow minded that you won’t believe it.

You know who you are, I suggest you go and have a word with yourself and refrain from posting until you can stop being a knobhead.


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Sorry you should have realised by now that the zealots will never be swayed from their unflinching belief that BMW's never go wrong it is always the users fault whether it be not washing it with bottled german water and perfumed BMW cleaner and so causing corrosion to suspension failure being caused by not knowing which buttons to press on a specific day of the month.

Any failures whether it be gearbox, final drive, engine ,suspension or paint finish related have never actually happened and it is all false news, re read some older threads and you will find that the r1200rt wc rear shock debacle was initially written off by these zealots as anti BMW hype .

The gs/gsa wc front fork failure was initially written off as being untrue and downright lies and if it was true why was a safety recall not carried out............. a few months later a safety recall was issued and said persons claimed it was not neccessary and only caused by a few idiots on facebook running an anti BMW conspiracy (no doubt backed by the Russians) .

Face facts some on this forum could buy a brand new BMW that within the first year of ownership blows up its engine, suffers flaking paint, gearbox failure and has both wheels collapse on them , will they slag off BMW ............... No they will praise BMW for its wonderful warranty no doubt adding that KTM etc wouldn't fix these (non) issues under warranty
 
Karlos said:
What is shocking is the condescending comments on here, some saying it isn’t true and let’s see the same claims court number etc. and some saying should have bought a mint airhead, well if no one bought new bikes there wouldn’t be any secondhand ones would there.

I thought the idea of a forum was to discuss topics and share experiences, not to slag people off or question their experiences just because you don’t happen to agree or are so narrow minded that you won’t believe it.

You know who you are, I suggest you go and have a word with yourself and refrain from posting until you can stop being a knobhead.


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Well if you think that - you're in the wrong forum
Ukgser is a bit more robust
It comes in all shades and is all the better for it
Cream rises to the top and shit sinks to the bottom
Since the turn of the millennium that is how it has always been
 
Neil W said:
Sorry you should have realised by now that the zealots will never be swayed from their unflinching belief that BMW's never go wrong it is always the users fault whether it be not washing it with bottled german water and perfumed BMW cleaner and so causing corrosion to suspension failure being caused by not knowing which buttons to press on a specific day of the month.

Any failures whether it be gearbox, final drive, engine ,suspension or paint finish related have never actually happened and it is all false news, re read some older threads and you will find that the r1200rt wc rear shock debacle was initially written off by these zealots as anti BMW hype .

The gs/gsa wc front fork failure was initially written off as being untrue and downright lies and if it was true why was a safety recall not carried out............. a few months later a safety recall was issued and said persons claimed it was not neccessary and only caused by a few idiots on facebook running an anti BMW conspiracy (no doubt backed by the Russians) .

Face facts some on this forum could buy a brand new BMW that within the first year of ownership blows up its engine, suffers flaking paint, gearbox failure and has both wheels collapse on them , will they slag off BMW ............... No they will praise BMW for its wonderful warranty no doubt adding that KTM etc wouldn't fix these (non) issues under warranty
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I agree :D

Some of you blokes need to wake up and smell the coffee! BMW quality over recent years has just plummeted to rock bottom and you're blind to it. Fuel strips, EWS, RT rear shocks, GS front forks, engine casings, spoked wheels, switch gear failure, seizing exhaust flaps .... it goes on and on!!

Yep ... great boxer engine ... I love it. I love the telelever front end too, but I will not be buying a new BMW !! You're all so BMW pissed that you're failing to see the bigger picture!!

This isn't name calling or a condescending post, I'm saying to you take the BM blinkers off your eyes and see it for what it is!! It's putting money first and a product second. I have never in all my years seen this sort of money grabbing over quality control in another manufacturer ...

:thumb2
 
Giles said:
I agree :D

Some of you blokes need to wake up and smell the coffee! BMW quality over recent years has just plummeted to rock bottom and you're blind to it. Fuel strips, EWS, RT rear shocks, GS front forks, engine casings, spoked wheels, switch gear failure, seizing exhaust flaps .... it goes on and on!!

Yep ... great boxer engine ... I love it. I love the telelever front end too, but I will not be buying a new BMW !! You're all so BMW pissed that you're failing to see the bigger picture!!

This isn't name calling or a condescending post, I'm saying to you take the BM blinkers off your eyes and see it for what it is!! It's putting money first and a product second. I have never in all my years seen this sort of money grabbing over quality control in another manufacturer ...

:thumb2
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Agreed .......with all that

When I looked at one (GS Rallye) last month it rode poorly and looked flimsy
 
Karlos said:
What is shocking is the condescending comments on here, some saying it isn’t true and let’s see the same claims court number etc. and some saying should have bought a mint airhead, well if no one bought new bikes there wouldn’t be any secondhand ones would there.

I thought the idea of a forum was to discuss topics and share experiences, not to slag people off or question their experiences just because you don’t happen to agree or are so narrow minded that you won’t believe it.

You know who you are, I suggest you go and have a word with yourself and refrain from posting until you can stop being a knobhead.


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There are a fair few resident cock jockeys on here you will soon work out who they are, just ignore them and don't try to discuss any subject with them and you wont go wrong. :thumb2
 
Giles said:
I agree :D

Some of you blokes need to wake up and smell the coffee! BMW quality over recent years has just plummeted to rock bottom and you're blind to it. Fuel strips, EWS, RT rear shocks, GS front forks, engine casings, spoked wheels, switch gear failure, seizing exhaust flaps .... it goes on and on!!

Yep ... great boxer engine ... I love it. I love the telelever front end too, but I will not be buying a new BMW !! You're all so BMW pissed that you're failing to see the bigger picture!!

This isn't name calling or a condescending post, I'm saying to you take the BM blinkers off your eyes and see it for what it is!! It's putting money first and a product second. I have never in all my years seen this sort of money grabbing over quality control in another manufacturer ...

:thumb2
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Well bloody said. To any of the new members on here, look back at my posts from a couple of years ago, and I wouldn’t have said a bad word against BMW (hence the user name). I wouldn’t have considered not having a GS, as I always thought there was nothing better out there.

But with these recent reports and issues, BMW will have to pull a rabbit out of the hat with the next GS to even remotely tempt me back. As the accountants get their claws stuck in more and more each year, I can only see quality getting worse, not better, as all they want is PROFIT.
 
The Nutty GSER said:
Why the name calling, Steve? :nenau
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Who's name have I called, only someone who posts like a cock jockey would assume it was directed their way? :nenau

I just said a fair few resident cock jockeys are best ignored and trying to discuss 'any' subject with them is a waste of time, the OP will work out who the cock jockeys are for themselves.

PS You're not on my list of cock jockeys, but I may be on yours. :comfort
 
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