New HD Pan America on HD site now.

I’m sure it’s fine but I’ve yet to see the bike , let alone sit on one :)

Saw the chain yanking comment later on;; Twat; :D:D:D; I could have done the same with this but just could'nt managè. In all honesty i was very impressed with it and can see it doing well as your only ride; not as hardcore as KTM; and a lot different to BMW; looking forward to seeing how it progresses. :beerjug:
 

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I have a three hour test ride booked at Guildford HD on Tuesday. Their demo bike came in on Thursday. I could have had it today, but was on my way back from a week in a motorhome in Scotland.

I'll see if I can get a delivery update when I go and ride the bike.
 
I have a three hour test ride booked at Guildford HD on Tuesday. Their demo bike came in on Thursday. I could have had it today, but was on my way back from a week in a motorhome in Scotland.

I'll see if I can get a delivery update when I go and ride the bike.

Keep an eye on that side stand; and warm yer wallet up; :D
 
Keep an eye on that side stand; and warm yer wallet up; :D

Harleys have always had "funny" side stands. When I bought my Softail Fat Bob in 2017, everyone was moaning about how flimsy the stand was - but it has done the job admirably for the last three and a half years. They do lock in position, but I will make a point of examining the PA's stand.

As for warming the wallet......I put a deposit down on the bike the day it was launched. I am just waiting for them to deliver my bike and take the rest of my cash! I was going to buy a Road Glide Special this year, but the PanAm will do almost everything the RGS can do, but better and has other tricks up it's sleeve too.
 
Harleys have always had "funny" side stands. When I bought my Softail Fat Bob in 2017, everyone was moaning about how flimsy the stand was - but it has done the job admirably for the last three and a half years. They do lock in position, but I will make a point of examining the PA's stand.

As for warming the wallet......I put a deposit down on the bike the day it was launched. I am just waiting for them to deliver my bike and take the rest of my cash! I was going to buy a Road Glide Special this year, but the PanAm will do almost everything the RGS can do, but better and has other tricks up it's sleeve too.

Great stuff i'am getting a bit of the green eye now; all the best with your new ride;:beerjug:
 
The Pan looks an OK bike except for the front end and there is obviously a huge amount of goodwill towards Harley with this bike. Maybe the Pan will be the saviour of Harley Davison but I can't help thinking the bike has one major flaw: it's not really a Harley Davison. There is no heritage or tradition built into the bike. In fact if it had a Suzuki or Kawasaki badge on the tank no one would know and the only thing that would indicate it isn't a Suzuki or Kawasaki is probably less reliability.
Good luck to Harley, they certainly need to appeal to a wider audience than their present one but the Adventure bike market is already crowded with some really good motorcycles. As I said it looks an OK bike like many other similar bikes but the more I look at it and listen to the hype the more the King's new clothes come to mind.
 
According to the bod riding this, it's the first one on the road in Yorkshire. Spotted it this morning at Tadcaster Services, A64.
He's a sales man at Leeds HD.
He couldn't speak highly enough of it and stressed he wasn't biased when pushed, I tended to believe him.
 

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Got a test ride tomorrow afternoon while my RT is in for service.

At least it will pass the time.
 
Today I had a three hour unsupervised test ride on the Pan America Special. I don't have much more to add than has already been said, but I'll add my thoughts anyway.

The bike was in Gauntlett Grey metallic with spoked wheels and looks great. The front end design is not everyone's cup of tea but I really like it. The styling takes cues from the Road Glide and Fat Bob bikes and it's nice not to have another plastic beak on the front.

The bike was fitted with the Screamin' Eagle titanium exhaust which looks much better than the big black stock can, saves some weight and looks good too.

The bike is tall - even with ARH in the low position - but it's an adventure bike and that is to be expected. I am 5'8" and I was just about on the balls of both feet on both sides with the standard seat in the low position. It was easy enough to flat foot on either side without needing to slide off the seat much at all, but I will be getting the low seat for sure as the extra inch will be helpful. The Adaptive Ride Height feature is not noticeable in use but works perfectly, lowering the bike a little as you come to a stop. When you ride off, it pumps itself up again and you don't notice it happening. It really is seamless.

To start with, I took the bike onto the motorway to see what it's like at high speeds. I set it to Sport mode and cracked the throttle and it had a good try at pulling my arms off. It really likes to go and it gets to triple digits very fast indeed. I was consistently going faster than I thought when i looked at the speedo.

The windshield prevented all wind blast on my chest and helmet and I felt I was in a nice bubble of smooth air, but there was still quite a lot of wind noise. I didn't have any ear plugs in though. The adjustment mechanism worked OK on the fly, but the mechanics of it look flimsy and I think the slide rails should be made of alloy. Some enterprising CNC machine owner will probably sort this out. Wind protection for the legs worked well because of the wide radiator and cowling - but the arms are still exposed. No big deal.

For the riding position, the peg placement gave me quite a lot of knee bend with the low height setting on the standard seat. It wasn't uncomfortable for me, but when I get the low seat, this will be exacerbated a bit, so I would ideally like to see lowered pegs and them maybe moved out a bit as the placement is quite tight against the bike. Gear and rear brake pedal positions were fine and I had no problem with them.

I had a bit of a lean forward position on the bike - I felt it in my shoulders after a couple of hours . This could definitely be sorted either with long risers, adjustment of bar position or potentially a set of adjustable Rox riser to give some "up and back". I noticed when standing that the risers could have done with being longer for me and I am a short arse. So yeah - risers and bar adjustment needed to get the ergos "just so".

The gearbox is smooth and precise. It's super easy to change gear and there is a satisfying snick as it engages. Not the typical Harley clunk, and not vague either. Very nice. No quick shifter, but I didn't miss it as I have never had a bike that had one. Maybe HM Racing will be along with an aftermarket option at some point.

The kickstand is positioned awkwardly - but that's just a matter of getting used to it. When it's down, it locks solidly into place and it is plenty strong enough to mount the bike using the peg and swinging a leg over over.

Getting the bike onto the centre stand is fairly easy - much more so than my old GS which used to fight me all the way.

The engine and the power it puts out is fantastic - especially from 5k+ RPM. It is super flexible due to the variable valve timing. It pulls well even from low RPMS like 2.5K, but it really comes alive at higher RPMs. I found myself selecting gears to run at around 4k RPM in towns and villages or behind slower traffic which would let me pass instantly when the opportunity arose. It really is a very good engine indeed. Plenty of power on tap everywhere and highly capable of getting you going very fast, very quickly.

The sound is a bit strange though. There's quite a lot of mechanical noise - whirring and the like. The exhaust note was really nice and throaty - but I could hear the engine mechanicals quite clearly. Very different from my other Harleys where the exhaust note hides everything else.

The clutch is lovely and light. Smooth engagement and no problem with feathering it and using the friction zone at slow speed.

The brakes are very smooth and well modulated. There was no grabbing at all and they would haul the speed off the bike with no drama whatsoever. Linked braking worked well and I felt very confident.

The handling of the bike is really good. It tips lightly into corners and holds a line perfectly. It likes to lean and loves to power out of corners on twisties with a fistful of throttle. I would describe the handling as "neutral" and "compliant". It doesn't fight you, just does what you ask of it with no complaints. It's good at both highway and parking lot speeds. Stable and inspires confidence.

Ride modes worked as advertised. Rain mode is a bit pathetic, but could be useful in....rain. Road mode is a nice compromise with plush suspension, smooth throttle and full power. Sport mode firms and sharpens everything up and can be bonkers when you want it to be. I stuck to Sport mode most of the time. I didn't mess with any traction control settings, just left everything at factory settings. The suspension was great - it absorbed almost everything effortlessly and the semi-active technology just adjusts everything on the fly.

I didn't really have time to play with the media much. I connected my iPhone easily enough to try out the Nav, but although it would show a route and give turn by turn directions, it would not show a map! Just checkered squares on the display with the route overlaid. Software fix needed here but it seems to be a known issue and being worked on. I didn't pair the bike to my Sena comms.

The seat felt really comfortable. I had no issue with 2.5 hours riding.

I stopped for a tea break at a local biker haunt and the bike drew lots of people over to look. There are still hardly any of these in the UK, so it is a rare beast indeed. Lots of questions and an overall very favourable reception indeed. "This is the only Harley I have ever liked the look of", "Sounds like a Triumph - in a good way", etc...

The fit and finish looked good to me and also got very positive comments from others.

It needs the big skid plate fitted. The bike I rode had it and it just looks better and deals with reg/rec protection thing. Added that to my order.

That's about it. Overall, it's an excellent bike and I am really looking forward to having mine delivered. Harley surprised the hell out of me by producing a genuinely competitive machine in this class on their first attempt. Yes, there are a few "gremlins" (mainly ergos for me) but they are all sortable in the near future with either HD parts or aftermarket farkles and I am sure a software update will take care of the nav issue. (I will be using a dedicated Garmin nav anyway).

I'm not going to say "Home Run" as I am British. But Harley hit a Six with this bike.

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I think I better not demo one.......
 
Exhaust looks too skinny... and out of place IMO..
 
Exhaust looks too skinny... and out of place IMO..

I'm sure RE will be flattered they've been copied...........


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.....and yes I agree Twizz, it's a rare thing that I actually prefer an OEM silencer.

Oh and that snow plow fitted, the OEM silver 'bash plate' is way nicer.

Andres
 
Today I had a three hour unsupervised test ride on the Pan America Special. I don't have much more to add than has already been said, but I'll add my thoughts anyway.

The bike was in Gauntlett Grey metallic with spoked wheels and looks great. The front end design is not everyone's cup of tea but I really like it. The styling takes cues from the Road Glide and Fat Bob bikes and it's nice not to have another plastic beak on the front.

The bike was fitted with the Screamin' Eagle titanium exhaust which looks much better than the big black stock can, saves some weight and looks good too.

The bike is tall - even with ARH in the low position - but it's an adventure bike and that is to be expected. I am 5'8" and I was just about on the balls of both feet on both sides with the standard seat in the low position. It was easy enough to flat foot on either side without needing to slide off the seat much at all, but I will be getting the low seat for sure as the extra inch will be helpful. The Adaptive Ride Height feature is not noticeable in use but works perfectly, lowering the bike a little as you come to a stop. When you ride off, it pumps itself up again and you don't notice it happening. It really is seamless.

To start with, I took the bike onto the motorway to see what it's like at high speeds. I set it to Sport mode and cracked the throttle and it had a good try at pulling my arms off. It really likes to go and it gets to triple digits very fast indeed. I was consistently going faster than I thought when i looked at the speedo.

The windshield prevented all wind blast on my chest and helmet and I felt I was in a nice bubble of smooth air, but there was still quite a lot of wind noise. I didn't have any ear plugs in though. The adjustment mechanism worked OK on the fly, but the mechanics of it look flimsy and I think the slide rails should be made of alloy. Some enterprising CNC machine owner will probably sort this out. Wind protection for the legs worked well because of the wide radiator and cowling - but the arms are still exposed. No big deal.

For the riding position, the peg placement gave me quite a lot of knee bend with the low height setting on the standard seat. It wasn't uncomfortable for me, but when I get the low seat, this will be exacerbated a bit, so I would ideally like to see lowered pegs and them maybe moved out a bit as the placement is quite tight against the bike. Gear and rear brake pedal positions were fine and I had no problem with them.

I had a bit of a lean forward position on the bike - I felt it in my shoulders after a couple of hours . This could definitely be sorted either with long risers, adjustment of bar position or potentially a set of adjustable Rox riser to give some "up and back". I noticed when standing that the risers could have done with being longer for me and I am a short arse. So yeah - risers and bar adjustment needed to get the ergos "just so".

The gearbox is smooth and precise. It's super easy to change gear and there is a satisfying snick as it engages. Not the typical Harley clunk, and not vague either. Very nice. No quick shifter, but I didn't miss it as I have never had a bike that had one. Maybe HM Racing will be along with an aftermarket option at some point.

The kickstand is positioned awkwardly - but that's just a matter of getting used to it. When it's down, it locks solidly into place and it is plenty strong enough to mount the bike using the peg and swinging a leg over over.

Getting the bike onto the centre stand is fairly easy - much more so than my old GS which used to fight me all the way.

The engine and the power it puts out is fantastic - especially from 5k+ RPM. It is super flexible due to the variable valve timing. It pulls well even from low RPMS like 2.5K, but it really comes alive at higher RPMs. I found myself selecting gears to run at around 4k RPM in towns and villages or behind slower traffic which would let me pass instantly when the opportunity arose. It really is a very good engine indeed. Plenty of power on tap everywhere and highly capable of getting you going very fast, very quickly.

The sound is a bit strange though. There's quite a lot of mechanical noise - whirring and the like. The exhaust note was really nice and throaty - but I could hear the engine mechanicals quite clearly. Very different from my other Harleys where the exhaust note hides everything else.

The clutch is lovely and light. Smooth engagement and no problem with feathering it and using the friction zone at slow speed.

The brakes are very smooth and well modulated. There was no grabbing at all and they would haul the speed off the bike with no drama whatsoever. Linked braking worked well and I felt very confident.

The handling of the bike is really good. It tips lightly into corners and holds a line perfectly. It likes to lean and loves to power out of corners on twisties with a fistful of throttle. I would describe the handling as "neutral" and "compliant". It doesn't fight you, just does what you ask of it with no complaints. It's good at both highway and parking lot speeds. Stable and inspires confidence.

Ride modes worked as advertised. Rain mode is a bit pathetic, but could be useful in....rain. Road mode is a nice compromise with plush suspension, smooth throttle and full power. Sport mode firms and sharpens everything up and can be bonkers when you want it to be. I stuck to Sport mode most of the time. I didn't mess with any traction control settings, just left everything at factory settings. The suspension was great - it absorbed almost everything effortlessly and the semi-active technology just adjusts everything on the fly.

I didn't really have time to play with the media much. I connected my iPhone easily enough to try out the Nav, but although it would show a route and give turn by turn directions, it would not show a map! Just checkered squares on the display with the route overlaid. Software fix needed here but it seems to be a known issue and being worked on. I didn't pair the bike to my Sena comms.

The seat felt really comfortable. I had no issue with 2.5 hours riding.

I stopped for a tea break at a local biker haunt and the bike drew lots of people over to look. There are still hardly any of these in the UK, so it is a rare beast indeed. Lots of questions and an overall very favourable reception indeed. "This is the only Harley I have ever liked the look of", "Sounds like a Triumph - in a good way", etc...

The fit and finish looked good to me and also got very positive comments from others.

It needs the big skid plate fitted. The bike I rode had it and it just looks better and deals with reg/rec protection thing. Added that to my order.

That's about it. Overall, it's an excellent bike and I am really looking forward to having mine delivered. Harley surprised the hell out of me by producing a genuinely competitive machine in this class on their first attempt. Yes, there are a few "gremlins" (mainly ergos for me) but they are all sortable in the near future with either HD parts or aftermarket farkles and I am sure a software update will take care of the nav issue. (I will be using a dedicated Garmin nav anyway).

I'm not going to say "Home Run" as I am British. But Harley hit a Six with this bike.

IMG_6209_HEIC-XL.jpg

Just seen this; no frills straight to the meat report; glad you liked it; sort of confirms what i thought just giving one a good eyeballing with regards to fixtures ; fittings; and general stance of the bike; it's good to see summat like this without a beak for a change; being different will do it the world of good in a same as same market; i hope this all works out well for HD every man and his dog has had a go at toppling them with copy cat cruisers; R1800 anyone; looks like a bit of yankee kick ass could be on the way back.:beerjug:
 
The Pan looks an OK bike except for the front end and there is obviously a huge amount of goodwill towards Harley with this bike. Maybe the Pan will be the saviour of Harley Davison but I can't help thinking the bike has one major flaw: it's not really a Harley Davison. There is no heritage or tradition built into the bike. In fact if it had a Suzuki or Kawasaki badge on the tank no one would know and the only thing that would indicate it isn't a Suzuki or Kawasaki is probably less reliability.
Good luck to Harley, they certainly need to appeal to a wider audience than their present one but the Adventure bike market is already crowded with some really good motorcycles. As I said it looks an OK bike like many other similar bikes but the more I look at it and listen to the hype the more the King's new clothes come to mind.

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