~ How to SM a 701 Enduro ~

Just kidding Andres, I only just caught up with this thread.....so going way back to your first post and mentioning the steering wasn't as quick as expected due to its dirt bike geometry....You were going to up the pre load to steepen the fork angle!

I'm sure you know that all the older Husabergs and my own 525 fitted with XC triple clamps give you the choice of two steering angle dependent on which way you face the spindle.

So doesn't the 701 give you this option?
 
Just kidding Andres, I only just caught up with this thread.....so going way back to your first post and mentioning the steering wasn't as quick as expected due to its dirt bike geometry....You were going to up the pre load to steepen the fork angle!

I'm sure you know that all the older Husabergs and my own 525 fitted with XC triple clamps give you the choice of two steering angle dependent on which way you face the spindle.

So doesn't the 701 give you this option?

No, I never knew that, well I never.

AFAIK the 701 doesn't allow you to do that, at least there's nothing in the owners/repair manual that mentions it. The 701SM has different triple clamps so I assume the head angle is different on that bike anyway :nenau

Andres
 
No, I never knew that, well I never.

AFAIK the 701 doesn't allow you to do that, at least there's nothing in the owners/repair manual that mentions it. The 701SM has different triple clamps so I assume the head angle is different on that bike anyway :nenau

Andres

It is to take into account the shorter suspension and smaller wheels.
 
Jobs for today:

Postie came yesterday with a 1" shorter side stand so hopefully I can grab some time to fit that.

Phone calls; I've also found a UK based guy that makes custom tone rings for 1*90 KTMs so currently seeing if he can be persuaded to look at 701/690's. I won't tempt fate but it's looking hopeful.................

Andres

To follow on from that I got back from a very wet camping weekend yesterday to find a shinny new tone ring had come in the post :)

You'd normally replace the rings on both wheels but the rear is slightly dished so harder to manufacture. This therefore is a bit of a trial. A bit of maths to calculate the number of slots needed 'hopefully' means the EMS will be fooled into thinking it's still running 21/18" wheels (you can clearly see the difference in number of slots between the standard and custom rings).

I won't have time to do anything until the end of next week so fingers crossed and we'll see if the calculations have worked then..................

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Andres
 
So, the saga continues................

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I put the new ring on the front wheel and fitted the SM wheels over the weekend, it certainly looks very swish in it's polished stainless finish.

The good news: The speedo now reads cock on, indicated 60 mph with GPS showing 59.2 mph.

The bad news: I'm in an even worse position with the ABS & TC. As usual, after a few miles the TC, ABS and engine management lights come on.

The new issue is that in Map 1 (full TC & ABS plus soft throttle response) the TC is kicking in after roughly 1/4 throttle, it's like riding my Tomos :D
Running Map 2 (reduced TC, ABS on front only and more direct throttle response) it's nearly ok but if I'm really playing silly buggers I can feel the TC just kick in momentarily where it wouldn't normally have done so.

Soooooooo, it's back to basics and it looks like a rear ring is also required, with the requisite number of slots in it to fool the EMS into thinking the bike's still running 21/18 wheels.

Original fitment is 45/45 slots. The custom front is 39 slots and I reckon the custom rear will need to be 43 slots.
Here's what you need to do the calculate what's needed if you fancy having a go ;)

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The only issue is the rear will be harder to make as the mounting holes are dished/countersunk to allow clearance between the mounting bolts and the brake caliper. The guy making the rings has come up with a way of doing this but it's gonna be a while before he can make one for me - patience is a virtue :)

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The other change I've made is to drop three teeth on the rear sprocket (45 to 42). This has lost most of the 'manicness' of the shorter gearing and is much nicer to ride on the road but I reckon I'd like a little of it back so am ordering a 43 tooth sprocket, reckon that'll be perfect for me :thumb2

Andres
 
This arrived today :bounce1

TBC.........

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Andres
 
So, as alluded to, my 'non-rusty sheriff's badge' (Copyright The Bus Driver) arrived yesterday and having rather a lot of spare time on my hands at the moment was fitted to the rear wheel.

As mentioned before the rear ABS is pressed with dished/countersunk holes for the bolts (the front one is flat).......


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......and sits in recesses on the disc carrier......


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As the custom rings are laser cut it isn't possible to dish the ring so the guy making them very gingerly tacked on spacers behind the enlarged holes on the ring. The worry was the heat might buckle the disc. It didn't, he did a great job :thumb2


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So, with the wheel back in the bike I was up and out on it this morning for a 60 mile spin before it got stoopid hot; cautious at first and no warning lights, all good. Check it over (have the tack welds held?) and give it a bit more stick, all good. Check it over and provoke the TC and ABS............still no warning lights and I can confirm that the TC kicks in when playing silly buggers. Both maps work fine too doing exactly what they are supposed to do :)

So there we are, the SM conversion is complete. I had intended fitting a 320mm disc to the front at some stage but really there is no need, the standard 300mm Enduro disc is more than up to the job. Oh, and unlike my first attempt at swapping the wheels over when I had to learn the knack for getting the back wheel in I can now do a wheel swap in just over half an hour, perfect!

Husky Enduro/Supermoto 701 ~ two amazing bikes in one :thumb2


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Andres
 
I should have added...........

AFAIK the guy that made the tone/ABS rings is the only guy out there doing this for KTM's / Huskys and my bike will almost certainly be the first 701 to have had this done to.

This should apply to all bikes with the new dash and electronics, so that's a (EU) 2021 Husky onwards and, I think, 2020 KTM onwards....... If anybody would like the details of the guy who made the rings just drop me a PM :beerjug:

Andres
 
Nice to see a neat engineering solution to a problem caused by electronics!

Well done for persevering and getting it all sorted :thumb
 
Here’s a question for you, do you mess with the suspension if you change the wheels from SM to E?

My 501 is set up for the dual purpose tyres and lighter wheels and even though I’m totally incapable of being able to feel if I should do something when I go back to the enduro wheels and tyres I can’t help but think I’m missing a trick.
 
Here’s a question for you, do you mess with the suspension if you change the wheels from SM to E?

My 501 is set up for the dual purpose tyres and lighter wheels and even though I’m totally incapable of being able to feel if I should do something when I go back to the enduro wheels and tyres I can’t help but think I’m missing a trick.

If you can't tell any difference how are you missing a trick :nenau

On permanent SM conversions yes, I've even gone as far as changing the shock and forks..........

On something like the 701 it's primarily an off road bike as far as I'm concerned so all I do is stiffen it right up for the SM wheels. I say 'for the wheels', what I mean is the riding style which is sort of barrel into a bend, brake late and deep and barrel it out. Of course riding like that with long travel suspension, no matter how stiff, you're gonna get loads of dive and rise with all the attended implications when it comes to dramatically changing trail but that, for me, is all part of the fun..........naturally the smoother, faster way is to adjust your speed smoothly and carry more corner speed.......

Oh and to go with that 'dumping' the bike into a corner I'll always drop the forks in the yokes on a permanent conversion and sometimes, when I can be arsed, on the 701 (to quicken the steering).

At the end of the day though they are such powerful, well braked and LIGHT bikes you can just fuck around on them without worrying about the niceties too much and get away with it :)

Andres
 
If you can't tell any difference how are you missing a trick :nenau

On permanent SM conversions yes, I've even gone as far as changing the shock and forks..........

On something like the 701 it's primarily an off road bike as far as I'm concerned so all I do is stiffen it right up for the SM wheels. I say 'for the wheels', what I mean is the riding style which is sort of barrel into a bend, brake late and deep and barrel it out. Of course riding like that with long travel suspension, no matter how stiff, you're gonna get loads of dive and rise with all the attended implications when it comes to dramatically changing trail but that, for me, is all part of the fun..........naturally the smoother, faster way is to adjust your speed smoothly and carry more corner speed.......

Oh and to go with that 'dumping' the bike into a corner I'll always drop the forks in the yokes on a permanent conversion and sometimes, when I can be arsed, on the 701 (to quicken the steering).

At the end of the day though they are such powerful, well braked and LIGHT bikes you can just fuck around on them without worrying about the niceties too much and get away with it :)

Andres

I stiffened it up a lot for the dual purpose tyres on the grounds that they’re still good enough to pile it into a corner and brake late, especially given that I fitted a bigger front disc and with such a low powered bike you have to be a bit of a twat to get anywhere.

I’m toying with the idea of going back to the off road gearing for winter so I can pull wheelies and probably get the rear wheel sliding about a bit to make me feel like a riding God until I fall off 😀
 
I stiffened it up a lot for the dual purpose tyres on the grounds that they’re still good enough to pile it into a corner and brake late, especially given that I fitted a bigger front disc and with such a low powered bike you have to be a bit of a twat to get anywhere.

I’m toying with the idea of going back to the off road gearing for winter so I can pull wheelies and probably get the rear wheel sliding about a bit to make me feel like a riding God until I fall off 😀

I imagine your bike would be an absolute hoot on small, grippy things. Such a light bike, it’d be like a motorised mountain bike to ride :)

Andres
 


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