Nauders (Austria) to Amsterdam Ferry Terminal

alesupper

Registered user
Joined
Nov 9, 2022
Messages
36
Reaction score
0
Location
Kendal, UK
Hi All

As part of an Alps trip in June next year, on the return journey home, we will be leaving Nauders to get to the Amsterdam ferry terminal. We are booked on the 17:30 ferry which means that we have 2 nights/3 days to make the trip. What I would appreciate is suggestions for the two stopover locations please. One idea I have for the first day/night is to head to Freudenstadt in the Black forest and stay the night there. This would involve travelling along Lake Constance, so if one side of the Lake is better than the other for motorbikes, please let me know. After staying in Freudenstadt I thought we would head over the Schwarzwaldhochstraße B500 road, but would love suggestions where to head to for our second stayover please?

CIA Alesupper.
 
I have to say the thread title had me scratching my head. Austria to Amsterdam would be an odd ferry route
 
Wapping said:
Lake Constance is often snarled up. Look at alternatives.
Click to expand...

yes, I did that route from Nauders using the B31 up along Lafe Constance, across the Black Forest, heading just across the Rhine into Alsace. The B31 is horrible. Low speed limit, solid white line and lots of truck all the way to Freiburg.

In a different year, we did a sort of diagonal from Freudenstadt to stay in Kempten and then hopped over the border from there.

In reverse one would go Nauders, Landeck, Lech, Egg over the border through the various Allgau, Ravensburg, Balingen onto Freudenstadt

B500, pretty but frustrating with 50kph speed limits. If you have done it before, use the 462 through Forbach.

From Baden Baden you could cross the Rhine and cut across a little bit of the Nord Vosges and take coffee in Bitche or Wissembourg. Then wiggle up through the Saarland to the corner of Luxembourg near Trier. The road along the river going north along the border is lovely and several nice towns for an overnight, leaving 200-240 miles on the last day.
 
wessie said:
yes, I did that route from Nauders using the B31 up along Lafe Constance, across the Black Forest, heading just across the Rhine into Alsace. The B31 is horrible. Low speed limit, solid white line and lots of truck all the way to Freiburg.

In a different year, we did a sort of diagonal from Freudenstadt to stay in Kempten and then hopped over the border from there.

In reverse one would go Nauders, Landeck, Lech, Egg over the border through the various Allgau, Ravensburg, Balingen onto Freudenstadt

B500, pretty but frustrating with 50kph speed limits. If you have done it before, use the 462 through Forbach.

From Baden Baden you could cross the Rhine and cut across a little bit of the Nord Vosges and take coffee in Bitche or Wissembourg. Then wiggle up through the Saarland to the corner of Luxembourg near Trier. The road along the river going north along the border is lovely and several nice towns for an overnight, leaving 200-240 miles on the last day.
Click to expand...

It just goes to show that what looks like a good route on a map, is not always the case in real life. Thanks for your tips and suggestions. I will look into them and have a re-think.
 
Bad Peterstal, near Freudenstadt is a nice town to stay (not far from Strasbourg, across the Rhine, if you want to throw another route into the mix) and as said - avoid Constance area and leapfrog near the Donau river towards Kempten (via Balingen/Sigmaringen/Bad Saulgau/Bad Waldsee)

Some nice roads around there, if you get your Michelin map out and plan it on the hoof, as you go
 
Something broadly along these lines, is not too bad.

395993908ce3d2ae55ee62a3d153a4de.png
 
I am liking that Kurviger website/app. I have signed up for the Tourer account. Only €9.99/year :okay
 
JohnnyBoxer said:
That’s the one

Fern pass can be a twat on a Friday or Sunday afternoon
Click to expand...

hence my suggestion to use the one further west via Egg - more scenic and quieter, then head up to the Kurviger route west of Kempten
 
alesupper said:
I am liking that Kurviger website/app. I have signed up for the Tourer account. Only €9.99/year :okay
Click to expand...

It’s OK at giving the idea on which direction to take and possible roads to ride. Though my easiest advice is not to follow it too blindly, as it can put in some silly deviations. The algorithm is not perfect but, for what’s out there, it is pretty good. It could, just as easily, have routed you along the lake. Lake side routes can be all jolly scenic but can get snarled up, as the traffic has nowhere else to go. Less of a problem on a motorbike, of course. I would certainly recommend the ‘Tourer’ version, as it brings in some useful additional features.

This I think is your first overseas jaunt? If so, great. You’ll make mistakes, we all did and still do. But, whatever happens, it’ll still be better than going to Tesco….. again.
 
OP, you could maybe look at bits of this.

https://www.ukgser.com/forums/showt...nce-but-avoiding-the-lake?highlight=Constance

It comes from German magazine and assumes a circular jaunt around but some of the roads might work, even if the author was using them for a different purpose. Don’t forget though, that your aim for the day is to get yourself from A (Nauders) to B (Freudenstadt) so at some point you’ll have go reasonably directly, rather than buggering around along every ‘Must do’ road and through every ‘Must do’ place.
 
How does this look guys? On the last day we would just take the quickest route to the ferry terminal in Amsterdam.

<img src="https://i.ibb.co/gy9MfS7/Day-7-Route.jpg" alt="Day-7-Route" border="0">

<img src="https://i.ibb.co/Jx60QrD/Day-8-Route.jpg" alt="Day-8-Route" border="0">
 
I'd be wary of leaving too much to do on day 3 when you have a ....very....strict deadline.....all it wants is one hiccup on the busy roads approaching Ijmuiden, and you are left trying to get on the boat next day. I would want to be an hour further up the road to be comfortable.
 
wessie said:
yes, I did that route from Nauders using the B31 up along Lafe Constance, across the Black Forest, heading just across the Rhine into Alsace. The B31 is horrible. Low speed limit, solid white line and lots of truck all the way to Freiburg.

In a different year, we did a sort of diagonal from Freudenstadt to stay in Kempten and then hopped over the border from there.

In reverse one would go Nauders, Landeck, Lech, Egg over the border through the various Allgau, Ravensburg, Balingen onto Freudenstadt

B500, pretty but frustrating with 50kph speed limits. If you have done it before, use the 462 through Forbach.
Click to expand...

Both sides of the Lake suck for sure, speaking from experience and a failure to learn from my own mistakes.

Agree with B500 - the "famous bit" anyway, further south it is not so bad, but the last @25 miles to Baden is lots of low speed limits, did it earlier this year for 1st time in about 5 years and was shocked how badly f****d up it is - we took some chances that speed traps unlikely in the middle of S-Bends to make it worthwhile, but going unnaturally slow on faster straighter bits does suck the fun out a bit, as said if done before take the Forbach road which is still very good and mainly 100kph lmits, and less chance of plod if you want to stretch them a bit.

From Baden Baden you could cross the Rhine and cut across a little bit of the Nord Vosges and take coffee in Bitche or Wissembourg. Then wiggle up through the Saarland to the corner of Luxembourg near Trier. The road along the river going north along the border is lovely and several nice towns for an overnight, leaving 200-240 miles on the last day.
Click to expand...

Did this on way back fro Black Forest to Luxembourg this year, mix of some great roads and a bit of Autobahn - but even that section had some nice views, and when we peeled off we hit an amazing, empty, perfectly surfaced, twisty road for about 20 miles which from a riding pleasure point of view (IMHO) was every bit as good as the B500 ever was. I can probably find it on my route if you're interested.

You could then carry on towards the top of Luxembourg to leave an easier last day, TBH I really don't know much once North / West of Lux, but what I know is good if your happy with the last leg slog:

* Bastogne - Hotel Melba is perfect for bikes and close to town with lots of choice for food / drink etc.

* Durbury - Lovelly little place, can be hard to find cheaper accomodation, wonderful old town boutique shop area that if youre with your Mrs would keep her happy.

* Vianden - stunning castle on the hill, decent choice of lodgings and places to eat / drink

* Esch-sur-sure - Lovelly little place with small castle above the town, not a lot there, and never stayed overnight, but would love too, by day a great lunch / coffee stop I have used many times, and I always think that I really must try and work an overnight here one day.
 
Bernkastel-Kues to the Dutch North Sea ferry port, direct, is between about 230 and 260 miles.

Depending on what times:

A. You set off, wheels rolling in the morning

B. You have to check in at the ferry terminal

It is doable.

Only you and your mates know the two times (A and B). Only you know how fast (or slowly) and how many times you’ll stop over the distance. As you know all this, you’ll be able to cut your own cloth accordingly. It’s the last day of your ‘virgins trip’ to Europe, by then you’ll also know the other bits about riding together, too. You’ll have a great time, no matter what.
 
Wapping is a far more experienced traveller than I, but perhaps not in this particular neck of the woods?
However, the 'direct' route ie, Google, between Bernkastel and Ijmuiden is 256 miles, and Google thinks it will take 4 and a half hours driving . Experience tells me that the approaches to Amsterdam/Ijmuiden can be horrendous, particularly with the new Dutch blanket speed limit of 62 mph. The DFDS check-in latest is 4.45 pm.
Of course it is do-able, but I would rather be a bit closer, and give myself time to relax and have the admirable fish and chips next door to the dock at Ijmuiden. Much cheaper than eating on the boat!
 
I was looking at the distance, not at some algorithm’s estimate of the time. Not least as we have no idea quite how fast he and his ‘ride buddies’ will ride. If though we gave the fellow a very modest journey average speed of 30 mph, that would give roughly eight and a half hours. Up that to 40 mph and it drops to six and a half hours.

The distance is doable but, as always hinges on the answers to the A and the B questions, along with the speed ridden at and of course, any delays encountered on the day.

As it’s his first trip abroad, in a parallel thread of his I gave him examples of distances in the UK and asked whether he’d ride these in a day and, if so, on what roads, all within his timeframes. This was when he has planning to do the whole of the Alps, the Dolomites, everything in between and be home for buns by half past two. Hopefully he’s remembered that advice.

He’ll know (or at least he’ll find out and know for the future) if the journey is doable. Not least, as it’s his last day, he’ll know if he ended up in Bernkastel-Kues or (heaven forbid) in Pfullendorf and looking at an awful long way to the boat.

:beerjug:
 
Nippy Normans supply Touratech, Wunderlich, Desert Fox and many other makes of accessories.
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Andermatt to Mosel?
Replies
10
Views
528
wessie
wessie
peej1977
Suggestions of places to visit (not just in Germany)
Replies
11
Views
320
peej1977
peej1977
Ferry from Greece or Turkey to Egypt
Replies
12
Views
1,499
stever1
stever1
Annecy to Normandy help
Replies
9
Views
359
Wapping
Wapping
Alps Trip Route Advice
3 4 5
Replies
81
Views
5,901
Khulu
Khulu


Back
Top Bottom