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I have a plan just not sure I am missing anything. Going to buy a 2018 GSA in England. then travel to France, Spain,Portugaul and Italy.
If I have the title for the bike is that all I need, or do I need a Carnet.
Will I have to wait weeks once I purchase the bike to get the title in my name.
Do you guys get some kind of travel insurance for medical
Should I skip France so I can spend more time in Spain.
I generally just wing my trips, but don't want to waste time on documents I should have set up before I even leave.
Also I read somewhere on here there was a great pass to get for the toll roads through France Spain etc just can't find the post anymore


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See post #10
 
The V5 (title), assuming it's to UK address usually arrives in a few days. The last two vehicles I bought, the V5 arrived within a week... You need to take it with you.

You won't need a Carnet for most of EU, but you may need to buy a Vignette if you go to some countries, especially if you use motorways (Switzerland, Slovenia, Romania for instance). You may also need a Crit d'Air to travel in some cities... I managed to buy my Vigettes either at the border (usually), or the night before on my phone... I never purchased on in advance of the trip. You may need more for Swiss motorways but I never used them - swiss info https://switzerlandtravelcentre.com/en/che/offer/motorway-vignette

Best thing to do is avoid cities and motorways - much more fun, better roads and great scenery! I did 6000 miles in Europe last year and barely used a toll motorway. Just set your sat nav to avoid tolls :) I did get a Crit d'Air sticker (only a couple of euros) but never needed it as I avoided cities... You don't need Crit d'Air for visiting many pretty towns like Troyes, Dijon, Porto etc (however for the price of it it may be worth getting just-in-case)
Crit d'Air info here https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/law-change-for-uk-drivers-in-french-cities/

Travel (Medical) and Breakdown insurance are a good idea.
* Breakdown - If you bought a used BMW from a Motorrad dealer it should have 2 years Warranty which covers EU
* Travel/Medical - "Navigator" is one of the few companies that covers motorcycling on larger bikes. If you are UK resident you can also get a Health Insurance Card https://www.gov.uk/global-health-insurance-card https://www.gov.uk/global-health-insurance-card - I just buy an Annual Policy to cover me for all my travels/holidays ;)

France and Spain both have lovely roads. Take your pick! The Alps and Pyrenees and the Picos are playgrounds for motorcyclists. If you get a ferry to the Calais area the roads there can be a bit grim for the first couple of hours - boring roads and loads of heavy lorries - but you soon leave that behind! If you get the ferry to St Malo you can get on good roads almost immediately (IMO). If you get the ferry direct to Spain (either Santander or Bilbao) you can be in the Picos area on amazing roads in under 2 hours (head for Potes).

Regarding Tolls - maybe this thread? https://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php/575298-French-Motorway-Tags?highlight=telepass

If you are planning to visit non-EU countries (i.e. Albania) you may need extra Insurance for your bike, either get a Green Card before you leave UK (from your insurer) or buy at the border. If you're sticking with France, Spain, Germany, Portugal etc, then no worries...Just make sure your UK insurance gives you the cover you want in the EU. Almost ALL policies cover basic minimum Insurance in all EU countries, but check (ideally before you buy) - BMW insurance is via Devitt and has EU cover (but check)

TBH it's all pretty easy, and relatively inexpensive, go and enjoy it!
 
Sounds like a great trip, we have enjoyed those destinations several times and will be back. Once you are in the EU there are no borders within it and you are unlikely or unfortunate other than hotels to show your passport.

The two challenges in my opinion, can someone without a U.K. address obtain the V5 and get insurance ? everything else is easy or just needs money to fix.

I’m sure someone on here will know the answers.
 
As above, your biggest challenge might be buying insurance for the UK registered bike if:

A. You do not hold a UK driving licence, or

B. More likely, that you do not have a permanent UK address

C. If it is not a UK registered bike

When it comes to insurance, the vast majority of UK motor insurers operate on a ‘Pile it high, sell it cheap’ basis, catering for the many thousands of run-of-the-mill customers who fit into simple boxes. The simplest two boxes being: Do they hold a UK licence, do they have a permanent UK address and is it a UK registered bike? The vast majority of the members of UKGSer - and the UK motoring population at large - will fit into those boxes very neatly.

My suggestion would be for you to ask the same question on the HUBB (Horizons Unlimited) forum where you’ll probably find more non-UK citizens making the same enquiry and / or be able to give you an accurate up-to-date answer.

https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/

Another alternative might be to hire a motorcycle here in the UK, the hire company being more easily able to arrange insurance on their customers’ behalf.

One last alternative might be for you to approach one of the very few UK insurers who does not necessarily rely on customers that do not fit into a neat little call centre or online box. One of these might be able to help you. One to start with might be:

https://www.rhspecialistinsurance.co.uk/

But that is just a wild guess.

When it comes to medical insurance, my advice would be not to approach a UK insurer but to speak to your home based insurer, who should be able to provide you with a suitable worldwide policy. This will get you around the likely problem that you do not fit into a tidy little box, demanded by a UK insurer. We in the UK find it really easy to buy worldwide medical insurance from a UK based insurer, as we fit into a tidy little box. My guess is that you will have as many or more insurers offering the same worldwide service for your country’s citizens travelling abroad.

As to the rest? Once you get over the hurdle of buying, registering and insuring the motorcycle, all the rest is easy once you cross the narrow strip of water (do not call it ‘ocean’) that divides the UK from the mainland of Europe and our friends in Ireland. Similarly, riding around in the UK itself is easy, too. Though we (and the Irish) do, uniquely, drive on the left. That is not as huge a problem as it might sound, so don’t worry about it.

As to whether to ride through France or catch a ferry to Spain? Everyman and his dog will have a different opinion on that, sometimes predicated on no more than where they happen to live in the UK, small country that we are. Similarly, there will be all sorts of advice as to whether to use motorways or not, even on whether to avoid cities and some larger towns. The simplest answer is: Do what YOU want to do, within the constraints and / or flexibility of the time available and demands of YOUR holiday, not theirs.


PS Take comfort that you’ll not be the first non-UK national to make the same journey and hopefully you won’t be the last. All your predecessors managed it, so you’ll be able to, too.

PPS You might find this thread useful: https://www.ukgser.com/forums/showt...ike-insurance-for-non-UK-licence-holder/page2 As is common, you are not the same as the fellows in the example but it might give you an idea of who to possibly talk to for motor insurance.
 
As Martin alludes to, make sure that any travel insurance covers you for a bike bigger than a 125cc...most do not. You'd be a brave man riding round Europe without it, a hospital bill could be into the hundreds of thousands...not American size bill but certainly 'life changing'.
In your position, I'd also be looking at buying in the USA and shipping across and back....it MAY be that the costs are similar but the hassle is way less.
 
Far easier to hire a bike from one of the many providers. E.g. Motorrad Central up here in Scotland if you must have a GS. However, dont fall into the trap of thinking you MUST have a big bike. Smaller can be cheaper and just as much fun.

As mentioned above, make sure you get appropriate insurance for medical emergencies but read the small print!
 
On the bike hire front, these guys I happen to know, have been going for years:

https://www.superbikerental.co.uk/

They are based in south east England, about 40 minutes on a train from central London. A UK passport holding friend of mine has used them in the past to hire a bike to take to France.

They might be worth a call, as I am pretty sure it would be a lot easier than buying a bike in the UK (or on the continent) insuring it and, when the holiday is done, selling it again. The blurb on their website says:

There are restrictions imposed by our insurers, which mean that we are unfortunately unable to hire to persons in certain occupational areas. These include professional entertainers, professional sports persons, publicans, nightclub owners and owners of gaming establishments.

Foreign nationals will be required to also provide passport and proof of where they are staying in the UK.

The latter at least hints that they hire to foreign nationals, though whether you are ‘staying in the UK’ is of course debatable perhaps. The former…. Who knows if you fit into any of those categories.

A Google of ‘motorcycle hire for visitors to the uk’ or something similar will probably throw up a few more.
 
I now see via another of your posts that you are an ex-pat. Are you a UK passport / driving licence holder, with any kind of credible UK address? If so that might, depending on your circumstances, make things easier for you, I guess.

I can edit your opening post if you like, as I am sure that lots of us are guessing that you are a non-British national, without any kind of UK address or links.

Some urgent clarification on this might well be helpful before things go too far off on a tangent.

Richard
 
Wapping - spot on - and maybe if you have family members here (parents?) you will be living at that address in UK for the purposes of your V5 / Insurance?
 
Some clarification on this might well be helpful before things go too far off on a tangent.

Good Catch Richard

One other thing I know that "We" in N Ireland have been well screwed over by "Politicians" (Locally and Nationally As USual)

But We get issued Green cards for Euro area travel, Is that the norm for you folks in GB as well??
 
Good Catch Richard

One other thing I know that "We" in N Ireland have been well screwed over by "Politicians" (Locally and Nationally As USual)

But We get issued Green cards for Euro area travel, Is that the norm for you folks in GB as well??

I simply spotted that the OP had four posts but only one in this thread. I looked at them and spotted the ex-pat reference, whatever that really means within the context of this thread.

Hi All,
Although I now live in the USA, I am English and come from the Durham area, been over here about 20 years, just got back into riding about 5 years ago after my kid grew up. Done a few of the BDR's here and this year I rode the TAT, although I pulled off in Moab Utah to go to Yellowstone National park.
Planning a trip over there next year for a few months to ride UK and Europe, Anyway thanks for allowing me to join

Hello All,
I am expat living in USA, I am trying to buy a 2018 GSA 1200, in England for a trip coming up in May. Have made several offers to dealers within $500 of asking and they won't budge on the price. Is this normal, over here everything is negotiable, I got $1000 off my New 2022 GSA and 15% off all accessories I purchased at time of sale.
If that is the case then I am fine with it, just don't want to pay more than I have too.

The devil (and maybe salvation) lies in the detail, as always.

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Post Brexit, we in England, Wales and Scotland were obliged to have Green Cards issued for EU motor travel. This was so that those that wanted to return the UK to the glory of the 1950’s would be happy. In short, it was a right royal pain in the arse for everyone, including EU based insurers, who needed to do the same - or similar - for their customers coming to the UK, too. It fell on insurers (not the UK government or that cnut Farage) to sort the mess out, which they did through cross-border cooperation, not mindless hostility or false jingoistic nonsense.

Northern Ireland is a bit different when it comes to motor insurance, for a whole bunch of reasons. That you are apparently stuck with the need for a Green Card is just a consequence of geography and - to some degree or another, politics - I’m afraid.
 
Questions for the OP to answer:

A. Do you hold a current UK passport? If not, can you be issued with one reasonably quickly / easily? If so, your life - in this regard at least - becomes easier.

B. Do you hold a valid UK licence for the vehicle you intend to buy? If so, your life has become easier again.

C. Do you have a genuine UK address which, despite living 20 years in America, you can at least claim as your own? If so, that too is good news.

As to riding around in Europe? It’s really not so very much different today than it was 20 years ago. It is certainly not by any stretch of the imagination, overwhelming.

France, Spain and Italy have not changed too radically, nor has their geographical location to one another shifted. The only things that really differ over the 20 years of your ex-pat sojourn is the introduction of the euro, which makes life to some degree or another easier when travelling. That and the freedom of borderless (ground based) movement within the EU itself. Those and the explosion of cashless transactions, through the increased use of credit and debit cards. The French still speak French and the Spanish, Spanish. They still all drive on the right but you’ll hopefully be used to that at least by now.
 
I now see via another of your posts that you are an ex-pat. Are you a UK passport / driving licence holder, with any kind of credible UK address? If so that might, depending on your circumstances, make things easier for you, I guess.

I can edit your opening post if you like, as I am sure that lots of us are guessing that you are a non-British national, without any kind of UK address or links.

Some urgent clarification on this might well be helpful before things go too far off on a tangent.

Richard

Yes I am ex pat with UK passport, I don't have my license anymore good knows where it went, been in the USA for 20 years. My mam lives in the Durham area so I can put that down as garaging address.
I am planning on putting the bike in storage in Northern Italy and returning the following year to do the countries I miss then put it in storage and do Scandinavia following year.
I have a GSA here but shipping it back and forth would be a pain.
Renting is very costly also for anything longer than a week
 
Sorry guys 6 hrs behind so just getting to read all the comments,

Thanks for all the comments super helpful. I guess the biggest issue maybe insurance so I will tackle that first.
I am going to get an international Drivers license here before I leave hopefully that will help
 
Another possible insurance issue might be storing your bike in Italy etc. Your UK insurance is unlikely to cover that, you'd need to bring it back to the UK to store it. There are normally limits to the number of days out of the UK on your policy, plus leaving the bike and going off can invalidate it.

I tried to leave a bike in Italy for 6 months once and I was told it would be uninsured, I couldn't find a way round it. You might find a policy with unlimited days out of the UK in the year but still the issue of leaving the bike unattended.
 
The latter is a continuous problem.

When you take out a policy of motor insurance in the UK, you make a declaration as to where the vehicle is kept for the majority of its life, along with who the main primary driver will be. This is known as a ‘material fact’ which, to some degree or another, the insurer uses to assess whether (a) They’ll accept the risk in the first place (b) What premium they’ll charge.

As I understand it, you’ll be declaring an address in the UK, much like I’d declare my home in London as the place where my bike is kept. You though intend to actually keep the bike in Italy for much of the duration of the policy and beyond. Put simply, you have lied over a ‘material fact’, whereas I have told the truth.

Given that you have an international driving licence and the bike is Italy bound, you might well need the services of an insurer / broker that is a cut above the average call centre chimp, trained to only deal with requests to insure quite simple things.

Of course if you never make a claim, the chances of being discovered as having lied about a ‘material fact’ are very, very small. Why? Well, insurers don’t spend all their time checking that their customer has told the truth when applying for insurance in the first place. Insurance is unusual in this regard, as it is a contract founded on honesty, which the courts recognise. It is only when the chips are down that anyone starts to take an interest.

PS The other thing that yiu might like to consider is the possible need to put the bike onto Italian plates, given that you’ll likely exceed the period of grace that all European countries (including the UK) allow before a vehicle is regarded as imported. Again, it is only when the chips are down that anyone in authority starts to take a possible interest in this; so “Wing it mate”, if that’s your thing.
 
Can you buy the bike in a friend's name in the UK, they insure it with you as a named rider?

Doesn't solve the storage abroad issue but you can get a bike courier to bring it back to the UK or just ride it back, its only a couple of long days
 
Why not buy, register and insure a bike in Italy, rather than follow ever more convoluted ways to get around the problem in the UK.
 


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