Hi, when you removed the sensor did it have an oil seal, o ring as mine does not have one?
It may have remained in place. I missed one when I replaced the FD on my hexhead and oil covered the FD and brakes etc. in a very short time.
Hi, when you removed the sensor did it have an oil seal, o ring as mine does not have one?
so is the seal under the sensor not around it (like a brake piston seal)?It may have remained in place. I missed one when I replaced the FD on my hexhead and oil covered the FD and brakes etc. in a very short time.
so is the seal under the sensor not around it (like a brake piston seal)?
so is the seal under the sensor not around it (like a brake piston seal)?
I'm a newbie, so take it easy on me! I'm also not a techie. I've read all 11 pages. Thanks for any helpful D) input.
I have a 2015 model GS with 21,000 miles on it. I bought it at 3 years with 12,000 on it. (Yup, fair-weather rider. And I love the GS.)
My questions are: 1. Is it likely that the two following issues are related? 2. Is either fault common-enough to be a design issue that BMW should contribute to the repair. 3. Do you have any other advice that can help me get some BMW support?
Here's what happened:-
- Rear oil seal failed in April. Bike was taken to Bahnstormer. The last service (inc. rear drive oil change) and MOT was just before in February.
- Was told that the bearings have failed. After a lot of ringing around, although BMW supplies bearings for R Nine T and other GSs, BMW does not supply bearings for my rear drive so I need to buy a new one (£1200 + VAT. £2k all up). I was really lucky, I bought a brand new direct-replacement rear drive for £400.
- When checking it out later, the drive shaft is rusty and the rear UJ is ‘notchy’ – it does not rotate freely. So I need a new drive shaft too. (Around £700).
I understand that I can go for reconditioned units, or from a scrapper. I want to keep the bike for a while so would prefer BMW to provide some support. They have rejected the claim because (a) I don’t have extended warranty (I’d probably get this with my next GS) and (b) its too old. I believe that if there is a design fault and the splines are not checked as part of the service (which they aren’t) then BMW shares some responsibility.
I can see that 'rusty splines' can be emotional in this post . Any help would be great. Thanks.
Hi Santa
Thanks for the reply.
The bike: I bought it private. It had the first 2 dealer stamps, then an independent with full invoice. I've taken it to Bahnstormer 3 times for the annual service and MOT since I bought it. Recently had new disks (warped/running thin) and front bearing. I've done everything that Bahnstormer has suggested - so fully serviced.
Rear Drive: The original rear drive on my bike [33748544982] was directly superceded by [33748394281]. BMW has told me that the only difference is that the newer part has additional brake calliper mountings. Other wise interchangeable. My luck was that a chap called Dylan in Wales bought a job lot from Lind in Hatfield. Of course it sounded to good to be true - why sell a £1200 part for £400? He sent me the photos of the brand new in the box drive and it makes sense that Lindt would not be able to sell the previus model. I had the drive shipped to Bahnstormer. I know that Dylan has one more of these in black I believe. I can forward you his details if helpful. I also spoke to (Mike?) at Overland & Classic. He said something like he had not rebuilt any LC drives yet. And I spoke to Lindt, they said that although they have rebuilt similar drives, for some reason BMW does not supply the bearings for my drive and they are non standard. I'm surprised that this is so complicated, but the good news is that I have a brand new original drive.
BMW customer services has rejected Bahnstormer's claim on the basis that my bike is too old and does not have extended warranty. They said that "All new BMW bikes come with a two-year warranty that covers the cost of repairing any manufacturing faults. This is usually more than enough time for these to come to light." I completely understand this period. Equally there is war and peace on UKGSer and Facebook about rusty splines: One YouTube post [bmw r1200gs final drive boot grease service Maintenance ASMR] has 45k views. So owners are aware and concerned. It would be great if all manufacturing issues arise in 2 years. As I said, I'm not technical, but a design that regularly results in rusty (to the point of seizure) splines may well have contributed to my bike failing.
I'm a fair weather rider. I've paid top dollar in good faith for a premium bike from a premium brand. I've put my faith in main dealer servicing, the servicing regime and BMW parts. The rear drive oil was changed in the service just before the failure. The splines are not checked as part of the service programme in the knowledge that rusty splines is an issue. Given that the GS is marketed by a premium brand as a genuine go-anywhere Adventure bike, my question is whether BMW is satisfying its duty of care - or brand promise - by not contributing towards the repair. As it happens I've also only owned BMW cars since 1995 too - so I'm a good customer.
What do you think Santa - am I missing something?
isn't there a bit of EU law, that says parts have to be available, for 10 yrs from purchase or manufacture ?
yes i know we left , i bet you it's on our "books "
which actual part/s