Things like this interest me! It will I suspect have limited interest here .... (Maybe the few that chit chat on the moto GP thread!).
So I got my first big bikes (started doing track days etc) in the 80's. Back then, racing was 125's, 250's and 500 and my hero was in particular Mick Doohan. So as you do, I sort of liked him and his style and modelled myself on him a bit.
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Recently, I have started doing a few more track days with Rapid, (training as a track coach, but very much out my comfort zone as a seasoned road rider) and some of the coaches have given me a friendly, but hard time on my apparently old fashioned style telling me I was 'crossed up' (as it is now known). I was completely unaware and it felt fine to me? But interested to always learn and develop ive done some homework ...
'Crossed up' is the term they are giving the old school boys. And it wasn't just Doohan - they all did it;
Check out Rainey and Roberts too, and what they and Doohan are all doing, is sort of wrapping themselves around the side of the bike.
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-ZPzGFDM/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-ZPzGFDM/0/507648f6/M/IMG_1530-M.jpg" alt=""></a>
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The modern way of thinking is that there is a flaw in this technique, (It worked for Doohan!) and that the error if you like, is that their chest and shoulders, (which sit on their hips) are all facing the wrong way. Have a closer look at the line from one shoulder to another in all of them. it doesn't face into the corner at all. So what you get is a head having to turn into a corner, across shoulders that are turned the opposite way;
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-xjCwmQh/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-xjCwmQh/0/b4a4baa4/O/95C20F8E-8D91-4D56-A2AE-2A55EFCD1B74_1_201_a.jpg" alt=""></a>
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And here is me, caught by the camera guy! Check out the old school 'crossed up style'!
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-G3NGpTt/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-G3NGpTt/0/66f15da1/L/E8AC6569-BEAC-4B52-8197-7D508CB84402_heic-L.jpg" alt=""></a>
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Imagine putting a camera on my chest, or a broom handle across my shoulders - completely facing the wrong way into the turn. And it all comes from this 'slide your knee forward' along the tank, which rotates your hips and faces your trunk incorrectly. 80's style! Very old fashioned and now i know what the track coaches are banging on about! I didn't before, but thanks to the photographer, I do now!
Now check out the new boys on the block with the newer style
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-LWBLThh/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-LWBLThh/0/85fc9e52/M/IMG_1528-M.jpg" alt="200"></a>
Imagine putting a broom handle across Fabian's shoulders, they are correctly facing the turn and his head is very neutral on his shoulders.
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-kS9v6dC/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-kS9v6dC/0/9e77679f/M/99B8773A-99F8-4CA3-9DFB-84F01879A701_1_201_a-M.jpg" alt="200"></a>
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So my personal journey (only cos im interested!), is to try and change that old style to new. And its really hard! After 30 odd years of riding in a particular way, to try and change a style, to not rotate my hips and to keep square on into the corner is hard.
Better here but work to do!
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-kZvgP6m/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-kZvgP6m/0/bb1af5c1/M/dP53P7n-0%2521sizeoriginal-M.jpg" alt=""></a>
So I got my first big bikes (started doing track days etc) in the 80's. Back then, racing was 125's, 250's and 500 and my hero was in particular Mick Doohan. So as you do, I sort of liked him and his style and modelled myself on him a bit.
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-RxvnCW2/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-RxvnCW2/0/e39946f1/O/IMG_1524.jpg" alt=""></a>
Recently, I have started doing a few more track days with Rapid, (training as a track coach, but very much out my comfort zone as a seasoned road rider) and some of the coaches have given me a friendly, but hard time on my apparently old fashioned style telling me I was 'crossed up' (as it is now known). I was completely unaware and it felt fine to me? But interested to always learn and develop ive done some homework ...
'Crossed up' is the term they are giving the old school boys. And it wasn't just Doohan - they all did it;
Check out Rainey and Roberts too, and what they and Doohan are all doing, is sort of wrapping themselves around the side of the bike.
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-ZPzGFDM/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-ZPzGFDM/0/507648f6/M/IMG_1530-M.jpg" alt=""></a>
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-FHjBZfS/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-FHjBZfS/0/19d009a4/M/IMG_1531-M.jpg" alt=""></a>
The modern way of thinking is that there is a flaw in this technique, (It worked for Doohan!) and that the error if you like, is that their chest and shoulders, (which sit on their hips) are all facing the wrong way. Have a closer look at the line from one shoulder to another in all of them. it doesn't face into the corner at all. So what you get is a head having to turn into a corner, across shoulders that are turned the opposite way;
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-xjCwmQh/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-xjCwmQh/0/b4a4baa4/O/95C20F8E-8D91-4D56-A2AE-2A55EFCD1B74_1_201_a.jpg" alt=""></a>
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-MHnGPJL/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-MHnGPJL/0/8ecbca65/M/7C703BEA-6CB3-4087-8AC8-D7D74335D032_1_201_a-M.jpg" alt=""></a>
And here is me, caught by the camera guy! Check out the old school 'crossed up style'!
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-G3NGpTt/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-G3NGpTt/0/66f15da1/L/E8AC6569-BEAC-4B52-8197-7D508CB84402_heic-L.jpg" alt=""></a>
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-MNxqnpv/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-MNxqnpv/0/7d358753/L/43B2B7F5-6120-4209-97C4-0DB084545EA1_heic-L.jpg" alt=""></a>
Imagine putting a camera on my chest, or a broom handle across my shoulders - completely facing the wrong way into the turn. And it all comes from this 'slide your knee forward' along the tank, which rotates your hips and faces your trunk incorrectly. 80's style! Very old fashioned and now i know what the track coaches are banging on about! I didn't before, but thanks to the photographer, I do now!
Now check out the new boys on the block with the newer style
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-LWBLThh/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-LWBLThh/0/85fc9e52/M/IMG_1528-M.jpg" alt="200"></a>
Imagine putting a broom handle across Fabian's shoulders, they are correctly facing the turn and his head is very neutral on his shoulders.
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-kS9v6dC/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-kS9v6dC/0/9e77679f/M/99B8773A-99F8-4CA3-9DFB-84F01879A701_1_201_a-M.jpg" alt="200"></a>
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-d8zKF67/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-d8zKF67/0/04458858/M/153100E0-61BB-4524-97A6-2DDD40B2AE18_1_201_a-M.jpg" alt=""></a>
So my personal journey (only cos im interested!), is to try and change that old style to new. And its really hard! After 30 odd years of riding in a particular way, to try and change a style, to not rotate my hips and to keep square on into the corner is hard.
Better here but work to do!
<a href="https://gileslamb.smugmug.com/Bike/i-kZvgP6m/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/Bike/i-kZvgP6m/0/bb1af5c1/M/dP53P7n-0%2521sizeoriginal-M.jpg" alt=""></a>